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The owls are not what they seem.

I've read plenty of fic where Sam or Dean are tortured in hell by being made to think they're free and/or with each other, only to have the fake reality yanked out from under them. That plot works really well in fic because we're experiencing events from the tortured character's point of view, so we don't know what's real and what isn't any better than the POV character does. Unfortunately, the show has to show us what Bobby and Dean are up to when they're not with Sam, so we know what's real and what isn't even if Sam doesn't. Kind of kills the suspense. The only thing I'm wondering now is whether Lucifer is a totally fictional construct of poor Sam's scrambled brain, or if the real Lucifer has managed to telepathically connect with Sam somehow now that the wall has come down and is inflicting this mental torture on him.

Based on the season finale, I figured Castiel would be the Big Bad this season, but I thought it would be Castiel corrupted by the power of purgatory's souls, not Castiel's host Jimmy possessed by a leviathan (or leviathans--it looked like there might have been more than one stuck in there). So Misha will still be around, but it'll be interesting to see if Castiel is still alive in there trying to battle the leviathan(s), or if it is (they are?) the sole inhabitant(s) of Jimmy now and Castiel is really dead (not that anyone ever stays dead on Supernatural). I think poor Jimmy can kiss what's left of his sanity goodbye though.

I'm sure there are people who were upset that the show didn't use "Carry On Wayward Son" for the THEN section, but as much as I like that song (and liked it long before Supernatural got ahold of it), I was kind of burning out on it after all these years so it was nice to hear another song in the mix, even though I'm not a fan of Foghat.

So, long story short: I'm not really feeling any suspense or urgency about what's going on at the moment, but I am curious about how it's going to play out.

Date: 2011-09-24 04:39 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] inmh.livejournal.com
On the Lucifer question: That's what I was wondering too! If they do end up doing a Season 8, the only plot I can think of (at this point) would be that Lucifer and Michael break out of the cage. If Lucifer has a direct line to Sam, then that sounds a lot more likely than before.

I hope Cas is still alive. And I really hope that Jimmy's soul moved onto heaven a LONG time ago, because if not, like you said, he's going to be seriously screwed up.

I was always under the impression that 'Carry On My Wayward Son' was reserved solely for the finales. Have they used it for the premieres before?

Date: 2011-09-24 05:06 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure they've used it for season premieres, mid-season finales, mid-season premieres, and season finales, and possibly some other times in between. If they only used it once a year, I wouldn't be so burned out on it.

Date: 2011-09-24 11:13 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] jensenrick.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure it's only for finales as well

Date: 2011-09-25 01:25 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
I don't think I would be having such a knee-jerk, 'OMG Chinese water torture' reaction to that song if they only used it once a year.

Date: 2011-09-25 06:12 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] jensenrick.livejournal.com
Have you been watching the anime? They use it there for every single ep

Date: 2011-09-25 06:44 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
Maybe that's it, although I'm pretty sure I'd maxed out on that song by the end of last season. Could easily be the anime though.

Date: 2011-09-24 01:27 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] fresne.livejournal.com
"Carry On's" (http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Carry_On_Wayward_Son) been used for one season premiere and every season finale.

Also, word on poor Jimmy. Speaking of a character's soul that would be pretty messed up if still in there.

Date: 2011-09-25 01:40 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
Him and poor Adam, who was possessed by Michael when everybody fell into the pit. I wonder how many sanity points that poor kid has left now.

Date: 2011-09-24 02:35 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] bamf2me.livejournal.com
GodCastiel seemed concerned about Michael being freed from the cage (scene where he gave Crowley back his job), so I feel like he will reappear as a hope to kill/cage the Leviathan(s)or some such ... which will probably lead to season 8. Just a thought.

Date: 2011-09-25 01:27 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
There is some unfinished business there, especially with Adam, but I hope that's not the arc for season 8. We already had a whole season of that.

Date: 2011-09-24 07:20 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] etoile444.livejournal.com
My favorite dream plot would be for Lu and Mike to break out of the cage and take down the leviathan together!

I hope Jimmy's in heaven too!

Date: 2011-09-25 01:34 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
At [livejournal.com profile] winchestmidwest last year we decided that Lucifer and Michael needed to be locked up together to hug it out. We got the locking up together...

Date: 2011-09-24 05:10 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] and-ed.livejournal.com
I'd have to agree that there's not a big sense of urgency here - and that the suspense of the 'whats real and what isn't' thing is diminished by the fact that WE know even though Sam doesn't. But like you, I am curious to see where they're going with it.

I was a bit baffled about the God thing but now that I've had some explanation and theories thrown my way, its making a lot more sense. I'd like to think that somehow Castiel is still there and that maybe the door could be left open for him to come back.

As for the music, I didn't like the opening because I didn't feel like that song fit with the boys or the story at all - but I think we just get Carry On My Wayward Son for finales, not premieres. I'd be surprised if they changed that - kind of a nostalgia thing at this point. =)

Date: 2011-09-24 05:34 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
It would be interesting if Castiel were still inside Jimmy and trying to battle it out with the leviathan(s). Difficult to show, but interesting.

I'm pretty sure they've used "Carry On Wayward Son" more often than that or I wouldn't be so burned out on it. But yeah, "Slow Ride" was an odd choice. "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" was excellently used though.

Date: 2011-09-24 07:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] etoile444.livejournal.com
Carry On is only used at the finale. There's always some random song at the beginning. I wanted to hear Boston for some reason, but the Foghat song was okay.

It would make me beyond happy if Lucifer was now psychically connected to Sam! Even if we get Mark Pellegrino's occasional appearance I'd be happy.

Date: 2011-09-25 01:38 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
I think it's been used in more than the finale, or I wouldn't be so 'OMG Chinese water torture' about it.

It would be kind of cool if Lucifer could mess with Sam whenever and wherever he wants. If it turns out that all these hallucinations are a product of Sam's own mind, well, it seems to be a dark and unhappy place in there.

Date: 2011-09-25 03:27 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] nightba.livejournal.com
As much as I like the episode and is curious about how the rest of the season will pan out, I'm a teeny weeny bit disappointed about the possession theme with Castiel. Seriously, another 'my body is being taken over by evil' plot after Meg!Sam, Lucifer!Sam and Michael!Adam is just too much for me. I would rather Castiel be corrupted then being controlled by the levithans.

Date: 2011-09-25 04:33 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] the-other-sandy.livejournal.com
Castiel's story arc of being corrupted by power and doing bad things with good intentions so closely mirrored Sam's in season 4 that I'm surprised none of the other characters ever mentioned it until this ep.

Technically Castiel isn't possessed and being controlled by leviathans, Jimmy is. Castiel has been possessing Jimmy all along. Which, poor Jimmy. It's Grand Central Station in that guy's body.

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