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Do the Heroes writers watch their own show?
So if the government started rounding up specials in 1961 (you cannot convince me that all those armed men and their guns & ammo were paid for by a university grant) and it all went horribly awry in a mass murder kind of way, why did the program to round up specials not turn into a national witch hunt? Even if every single person at Coyote Sands died (which they didn't because there are at least six survivors we know of), there'd still be some offsite office up the chain of command that would know what happened. If a bunch of teenagers needed to be shot down like that, there's no way the military would just shrug it off and forget about the whole thing for 50 years. No matter how hard the Company tried to hide the existence of specials, the cat was already out of the bag.
And how did the parents react? They sent their kids to Coyote Sands to be cured and never got them back, since the bodies were all buried in unmarked graves there. Didn't the parents find that a little odd? Did they at some point turn to each other and say, "Honey? Didn't we used to have a kid?" What explanation were they given for their sudden lack of child(ren)?
And how did four 16-year-old runaways start the Company and become millionaires? Where did they go after Coyote Sands? If they went home, that's kind of the first place the men with big guns would look for them, not to mention all the awkward explaining Angela would have to do about her sudden lack of little sister.
I call bullshit on the whole thing.
Meanwhile, Nathan has forgiven himself for his past mistakes and therefore believes it's high time Peter forgave him too. Peter really had to scrape the bottom of the well to find some forgiveness he hadn't already used up on Nathan, but is there any doubt he would? It's Peter we're talking about. Nathan did not help his cause with the total lack of a sincere apology, since he seems to have decided that getting Peter Tasered and drugged and carted off for lifelong imprisonment wasn't really that big a deal and that Peter failing to forgive him would just be petty. The fact that every other member of Nathan's family except Peter got a free pass on the drugging and incarceration should certainly be nothing to hold a grudge about. Maybe Nathan should have just shoplifted some socks for Peter instead, because apparently sock theft is how Petrellis say 'I love you.'
Didn't Sylar wait until after he killed Nathan to replace him in the 5YG 'verse? I say this because any deviation from that timeline might mean that Nathan doesn't die. Because if Sylar does kill Nathan? This show will have to kiss my ass like whoa next season to keep me watching. Peter wouldn't be Peter without Nathan to have issues about.
So if the government started rounding up specials in 1961 (you cannot convince me that all those armed men and their guns & ammo were paid for by a university grant) and it all went horribly awry in a mass murder kind of way, why did the program to round up specials not turn into a national witch hunt? Even if every single person at Coyote Sands died (which they didn't because there are at least six survivors we know of), there'd still be some offsite office up the chain of command that would know what happened. If a bunch of teenagers needed to be shot down like that, there's no way the military would just shrug it off and forget about the whole thing for 50 years. No matter how hard the Company tried to hide the existence of specials, the cat was already out of the bag.
And how did the parents react? They sent their kids to Coyote Sands to be cured and never got them back, since the bodies were all buried in unmarked graves there. Didn't the parents find that a little odd? Did they at some point turn to each other and say, "Honey? Didn't we used to have a kid?" What explanation were they given for their sudden lack of child(ren)?
And how did four 16-year-old runaways start the Company and become millionaires? Where did they go after Coyote Sands? If they went home, that's kind of the first place the men with big guns would look for them, not to mention all the awkward explaining Angela would have to do about her sudden lack of little sister.
I call bullshit on the whole thing.
Meanwhile, Nathan has forgiven himself for his past mistakes and therefore believes it's high time Peter forgave him too. Peter really had to scrape the bottom of the well to find some forgiveness he hadn't already used up on Nathan, but is there any doubt he would? It's Peter we're talking about. Nathan did not help his cause with the total lack of a sincere apology, since he seems to have decided that getting Peter Tasered and drugged and carted off for lifelong imprisonment wasn't really that big a deal and that Peter failing to forgive him would just be petty. The fact that every other member of Nathan's family except Peter got a free pass on the drugging and incarceration should certainly be nothing to hold a grudge about. Maybe Nathan should have just shoplifted some socks for Peter instead, because apparently sock theft is how Petrellis say 'I love you.'
Didn't Sylar wait until after he killed Nathan to replace him in the 5YG 'verse? I say this because any deviation from that timeline might mean that Nathan doesn't die. Because if Sylar does kill Nathan? This show will have to kiss my ass like whoa next season to keep me watching. Peter wouldn't be Peter without Nathan to have issues about.
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Date: 2010-02-03 05:44 am (UTC)From:Fact - it's not hard to find someone who will do anything if you put enough money in front of them
Fact - Money buys a hell of a lot of silence... and cooperation
Fact - When dealing with Super Powers anything is possible, especially when you have one who can practically make money, one who can heal anything, one who controls minds, and one who dreams the future and thus always sees it coming.
I'm not saying that it would have been easy - just possible.
Especially once you bring Arthur Petrelli on board.
I wish the show had done a better job of telling us how - and I'm still hoping that they will do that over time - but I don't believe that the fact that they didn't renders it impossible...
Still my favorite ep to date - because as I said, best Angela ep to date.
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Date: 2010-02-03 06:04 am (UTC)From:Yes I am, because that's how every person they encounter is going to view them. The average person doesn't know Specials exist.
Fact - it's not hard to find someone who will do anything if you put enough money in front of them
True, but then we get back to the problem of where that money was supposed to come from.
Fact - Money buys a hell of a lot of silence... and cooperation
Not when you're 16. If a 16-year-old, especially one as unassuming as Bob, approached a career criminal with gold to sell, either in one large lump or in regular small quantities, the only thing the criminal is going to want to do is threaten the kid to find where his gold supply is coming from to cut out the middleman. Because the career criminal isn't going to know that Bob has superpowers. And money can buy a lot of things, but loyalty isn't traditionally one of them.
Fact - When dealing with Super Powers anything is possible
Not anything. There are limits to those powers and how they can be used in society without drawing unwanted attention.
I wish the show had done a better job of telling us how
Yes! That right there was my issue. I want to know how they pulled it off, because the odds were totally against them, at least until the 1970's. That's when the gold ban was lifted, and Bob would have been in his mid-twenties. He could have made gold bricks literally out of bricks then without raising suspicions.
Still my favorite ep to date - because as I said, best Angela ep to date.
Still hate it like burning because the writers didn't think their ideas through.
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Date: 2010-02-03 06:33 am (UTC)From:Yes, but you're also limiting your concepts on how this might have been done to those available to the average human - which obviously these kids were not.
True, but then we get back to the problem of where that money was supposed to come from.
I'm thinking King Midas (Aka Bob)
Not when you're 16. If a 16-year-old, especially one as unassuming as Bob, approached a career criminal with gold to sell, either in one large lump or in regular small quantities, the only thing the criminal is going to want to do is threaten the kid to find where his gold supply is coming from to cut out the middleman. Because the career criminal isn't going to know that Bob has superpowers. And money can buy a lot of things, but loyalty isn't traditionally one of them.
And what's to stop Charles from creating the illusion of a bad ass adult? Or who's to say if he did try to threaten them they didn't fight back? I'd put one super powered kid (much less 4) up against a non super adult any day.
Not anything. There are limits to those powers and how they can be used in society without drawing unwanted attention.
Actually those can be overcome with good old strategy - which Angela and Daniel have both proven to be masters of. You can do almost anything and get away with it if you know how - even in public. You would be amazed at the things I have gotten away with in the middle of hundreds of people.
I wish the show had done a better job of telling us how
Yes! That right there was my issue. I want to know how they pulled it off, because the odds were totally against them, at least until the 1970's. That's when the gold ban was lifted, and Bob would have been in his mid-twenties. He could have made gold bricks literally out of bricks then without raising suspicions.
As my beautiful wife put it "how hard is to go to the five and dime, buy a couple hundred pairs of cheap ass on sale earrings and turn them into solid gold - producing gold jewlery?"
That then becomes very easy to sell.
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Date: 2010-02-03 07:05 am (UTC)From:No, I'm just limiting my concepts to how a bunch of 16-year-old special kids could do this without drawing unwanted attention from people who don't know powers exist, since they were (a) still minors, (b) on the run, and (c) supposed to be dead.
And what's to stop Charles from creating the illusion of a bad ass adult?
It would only be an illusion of a badass adult. The criminal they were dealing with would be a real badass adult. If they were attacked by a career criminal, only looking tough would not be helpful, and most of them don't have powers or regular human skills that would help in a fight.
Actually those can be overcome with good old strategy - which Angela and Daniel have both proven to be masters of.
Now. How brilliant at strategy were they at 16?
As my beautiful wife put it "how hard is to go to the five and dime, buy a couple hundred pairs of cheap ass on sale earrings and turn them into solid gold - producing gold jewlery?"
That then becomes very easy to sell.
Again we get back to my original argument. Even if they were $2 a pair, a couple hundred pairs of earrings would cost $400. So they would need to make money to be able to buy the things they needed to make money, unless Angela was shoplifting more than socks. And they'd have to hit every dime store in town (and several other towns too) to buy (or shoplift) enough earrings to support themselves.
But let's say for the sake of argument that they manage to acquire a metric ton of cheap earrings and turn them into gold. Where would they sell them? They're 16. No one's going to wonder where a 16-year-old got 200 pairs of solid gold earrings? They would be having to do things in dribs and drabs and be constantly moving around to new fences and sources so as not to get caught.
No, it's not impossible, but I want to know how they did it while staying ahead of truant officers and other adults who might want to know where their parents are and why they're not in school. Or did they go to school? Did they all stay together the whole time, or split up? Where did they live? Did they stay in one place, or keep moving around so as not to get caught? How did they get from a bunch of basically orphaned teens stranded in the desert to a rich and powerful secret society? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Date: 2010-02-03 07:22 am (UTC)From:As for how good they were at strategy at 16? I was dancing circles around every adult I knew by the time I was 13. I could make them do anything I wanted them to - it wasn't difficult if you knew which buttons to push.
As for moving around a lot - who says they weren't?
Hell flying first class would have been as easy as having Charles snatch 4 random passports and convincing the taker that they owned the tickets - easy as pie. They could probably get away with doing it with blank pieces of paper or less - but easier to convince four people not to get on first, so you have the empty seats.
As for fights and not being equipped? Do you remember what Daphne told Hiro about trying to catch a Precog? Which is what Angela is... so they have their early warning system, then they have a boy who can heal any damage they might sustain - as they sustain it... a definite advantage over the other side, add to that a boy who can make them beat the hell out of each other - or themselves if he wants to and a boy who can turn you into gold by touching you (I'm fairly certain that would kill most people.) and I'd say they are more then equipped for a fight.
I'm with you - I want to know too, mostly because I prefer the founders and Claire to the rest of the cast, so the more time we spend on the company - the happier I am.
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Date: 2010-02-03 11:45 pm (UTC)From:I think the basic problem is that you and your wife are very creative, while I'm a pragmatist with 2 left brains. Where you only see endless possibilities, I only see endless practical roadblocks.
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Date: 2010-02-04 01:39 am (UTC)From:I'm blessed in being very good with both halves of my brain.
I was born right brain dominant - and I have always been very creative... my creative writing teachers loved me.
I was diagnosed with a mental illness or two and in order to control them without medication I had to come into control of the left side of my brain - that allowed me to learn to wield logic against the illness. The only truly effective non medicated answer for Bipolar disorder... it allows me to step back and tell myself that I'm not really depressed and then back it up with facts. It doesn't stop the depression, but it allows me to choose a response, instead of the illnesses choosing for me.
Thus I learned to master both halves of my brain.
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